Today's guest is fashion expert Amy Salinger, who brings 20 years of experience across television, editorial, and personal styling. She's worked with platforms including The Oprah Winfrey Show, The Today Show, and major national retailers. Whether you're like Andy in The Devil Wears Prada wondering "what makes you think I'm not interested in fashion?" or you're obsessed with all things style, this episode is a fun discussion about how fashion impacts your work and life.

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I’m RuthAnn, the brand + Squarespace website designer behind the women-centered design studio, R Artspace.
Since 2016 I’ve been working with incredible women coaches and service providers with sophisticated branding and website design. I LOVE seeing women step into their next level of business growth with a brand and website that’s set up for their expansion.
On the personal side, I’m a wife, mama to 3 littles and we live in Kansas City, Missouri. *So good to meet you!*

RuthAnn Rafiq: But before we dive into fashion and personal styling to feel our best in our lives and businesses, I would love to hear a little backstory of how you got started into personal styling, kind of where has your career led you, and how did you end up here?

Amy Salinger: Yeah, it's… it's a weird and winding story over the last 20 years. I mean, I graduated college in 2002, eons ago, if you will. We were… we were still using dial-up internet. I'm only half kidding, by the way. But! Fashion Styling was a brand new industry to the public. It existed in the form of, like wardrobe stylists, which would be, um, you know, on a photo shoot, or on a movie set, or on commercials, but the idea of personal styling was, first off, just coming into the universe of celebrities. So, celebrity styling, where stylists would work with individuals for red carpet type of appearances, but personal styling, like, in the real world with quote-unquote regular people, was, like starting out.

And I was graduating college, and I had tried out all these different professions, because that's what you did at Northeastern University. You went and did co-ops, and I learned that I hated a lot of different things about regular office jobs. First off, the office. I was like, get me out of a cubicle, I want to kill myself right now

So, I very much so was going through college being like, oh my god, how am I gonna make money without wanting to shoot myself? And I've always been… I know, isn't that… that's a real college student thought, by the way. How am I gonna make… and people still have that thought, by the way, somewhere into their 40s, right? Exactly So, I luckily figured it out pretty early on, because I tried out all these jobs and had a bullet point list of, like, I hate this, I hate this, I hate this. And it, in essence, allowed me to go, what do I like? And it was a much shorter list, and it directed me to a creative career. I had always been a creative person, I had been doing hair and makeup for my entire childhood. I was a competitive ice skater and dancer, and I could French braid the back of my head like nobody by 6 years old. And so, this was something that was, like, it was my jam, but I didn't want to do it for a living.

“So when I started to see all these talking heads on TV talking about fashion and styling, I was like. That's it. That's what I'm gonna do. I had no education, no background, no connections, nothing. But I was a 23-year-old with chutzpah, and I was like, oh we're gonna jump, and like, the net will appear.”

And thank God I created a net, because when you have no plan B, that's just the way it's gotta go. And when you're 23, you don't mind, you know, waitressing for a few years, or, like, having a client here, or a client there. You don't need to dive into it, because. I mean, you're flailing in your 20s, it's like so much fun, you might as well lean in and by the time.

I played around with fashion styling and was doing a bunch of photo shoot styling out in Chicago, which is where I started. Oprah was actually being filmed out there, because, remember, it was 2002, and so that was still on the air, Harpo was out there, and my photoshoot agent went to Harpo, and I was like, don't forget me! Uh, it's, you know, it was the type of place, it was like a fortress. If you got in, oh my god, you were lucky, but if you got in, you weren't getting out, that kind of thing. And she called me one day and was like, would you be interested in helping with behind-the-scenes makeovers? And I was like, say no more, tell me what time I need to be there, and right before the interview, she came out, and she was, like, it was with one of the six senior producers was the interview, that's who I was talking to. And she was like, would you be open to doing personal styling? You know, have you ever done that? One-on-ones? And I'm like, I'm gonna lie through my teeth right now, and I was like, oh yeah, of course, sure, I'll do that. So my first personal clients were actually senior producers over at Harpo. I know, go big or go home, right from the start. And I realized I had so much more freedom. Like, I didn't have to wait on somebody to call me with the next photo shoot, an agent to call me with the next job. I was like, oh. I can, like, completely create my own business, my own hours, my own brand on my own time, and that is how the Personal side of my fashion styling life began.

RuthAnn Rafiq: I love that. I think that is such a testament to when you're young and hungry, and you are open to trying anything. I have to ask, did you style Oprah?

Amy Salinger: Oh, okay, so no, but the funny thing is that the reason the senior producer was asking me to be her personal stylist is that she had found a personal stylist, and Oprah Took said personal stylist from her, so I was that one degree of separation, you know, no, me and Oprah did not cross paths, I missed it by one degree. So is the universe, exactly, so close. The universe apparently gave me what I needed, which was not Oprah Winfrey, sadly. Tear.

RuthAnn Rafiq: So you were really a trailblazer back in 2002. So when did you make your own brand and step into your own business? When did you, like, become your own business?

Amy Salinger: So, I… when that all started, I was… I mean, that… how old was I? I was probably, like, 25, 26 years old. I am now a beautiful 47, so I have been doing this for quite some time. It took me long to put all of this together. Like, I… I don't… it's not that I wasn't in a rush, it's that I truly did not have the funds to launch a business the way an adult would launch a business, meaning, like, I would have gotten a coach, I would have gotten… I would have outsourced a whole lot of things. I was learning as I go. I remember the day I found out what a tax write-off was, and I was like, come again? What? I can be writing these things off, so it was like.

I would not suggest starting a business the way that I did, because it was, like, a lot of throw at a wall. I believe in trying everything, but I believe in doing that with direction.

And so the beginning of my business was a very slow uptick. Um, I moved to New York City after 3 years in Chicago, and I was just starting to get my footing when the housing market crashed and the whole world crashed, and I was, like, sitting at home being like, can I afford to go buy a six-pack of beer? I just need a beer right now, and like, it was bad timing. I mean, for the whole world, it was bad timing, but my business then went standstill, for obvious reasons. And it didn't truly, truly pick back up till I was around I think I was like 31 or 32 and that's when things fully started taking off and I started my second reality TV show at that point, because I've done a lot of on-camera facing. I became the talking head that I had been watching in, uh, when I was in college, talking all about fashion on the news, on different TV shows, on different… all different media outlets, and that was when the in-person business took off in New York City, but since then, when the pandemic started, I rebranded again completely, because we love a rebrand here on Rebrand with RuthAnn.

“And I became a completely virtual stylist and changed the name of my business to Style Method, so I was not the sole focus, which it was… had been my name before, Amy Salinger. I wanted this to be more about the methodology and the systems that I teach to a broader audience. And here we are today.”

RuthAnn Rafiq: I mean, you have such an incredible journey.

So you talk a lot about how great style gives you confidence. But I have a question for you. What if you don't have confidence to wear great style? Like, bold prints, or, like, statement pieces, um, do you think that's a lack of confidence, or do you think that's a lack of experimentation.

Amy Salinger: Oh my god, this question is my favorite. This is one of my favorite things to talk about. So, first off, it's funny that you identify confidence as loud print and statement. That's not necessarily what confidence is about. Confidence through dressing is about authenticity.

“Confidence through dressing is about authenticity. So it's about figuring out what is authentic to you, how do you feel like the most powerful version of yourself, and then adding in some of the fashion rules to make it, or I should say, Style Method rules, to elevate it, to make it feel like you the best version of you.”

Amy Salinger: I have this long-standing theory that everyone talks about building the confidence on the inside, and then it starts being shown on the outside.

And my whole business is built on creating a confident outer version of yourself, and then it's seeping into the inside. And I think it's definitely a quote-unquote backwards theory, as far as what a lot of people have been talking about, but I've seen it happen day in and day out. This is what I do for a living all day, and when people start to truly see themselves in the mirror, their most authentic powerful selves, they become that confident version of themselves.

And I'm very big on repetition. I equate putting on an outfit that you feel amazing in every day, whether… I mean, that could be just jeans and a t-shirt. We're not talking about, like, high heels and a power blazer, like, just to be dressed from head to toe, feeling like yourself. It is an act of repetition like a grateful journal, right? So every day in a grateful journal, psychologists have said through studies that if you write. Three things down, one thing down, two things down, whatever, that you are grateful for, and I am grateful for this. This sparkling water right now, I love a sparkling water, I'm super grateful for that, that if you change your mindset every day to focus on the positive, as opposed to going, oh my god, I only have one sparkling water left. Then it's literally gonna shift the dynamics within your brain.

“And my theory as a stylist is that if you dress for yourself, whether it's casually, fabulously, extra, all the things in between, but really put on something that makes you feel good every day, through that act of repetition, you're gonna start to become that person you see in the mirror, mentally.”

And it's an amazing technique to watch, because I call it the model walk. Like, when I first meet a client, a lot of times, shoulders down, they're like, I don't know, I don't really like it, it's okay. And the moment I start putting them in things that are reflective of. What they've already been telling me about who they are, what they like, what they do, where they go, but now they're starting to see that, in an actual physical representation on the outside, they… shoulders back, hand on hip, posing, and I'm like, you're feeling yourself right now, aren't you? And that's the whole concept.

So when you go, it doesn't matter, whatever, I'm just throwing on this oversized t-shirt and leggings, it does matter, because you're going outside with that energy. All day, and that's what you're giving to the world, you have to start by dressing for yourself, and then the rest of the world is gonna get the memo.

RuthAnn Rafiq: I love that. I do always think, when I think of stye and fashion, I do I think of high heels and power suits, essentially clothes I never wear.

Amy Salinger: You just called it. You just called it. You have to dress… you have to… one of the number one things I teach is embrace the lifestyle that you have. Embrace the body that you have. We are dressing for the here and now and you can make that fabulous."

Like, anything can be fabulous. Carrie from Sex and the City, do you think that girls walk around like that in New York City? You are out of your mind. I used to wear, like, Dr. Scholz, like, fold-up ballet flats, and I would wear them all the way to the outside of the restaurant, and then I'd put on the heels that were in my bag and go into the restaurant.

No, maybe, like, I'm a sneakerhead now, I live a very comfortable life. Again, I'm virtual, I live in Providence, there is no more New York City every day. I'm a single mom by choice, like, my world couldn't be further from a high heel, but I want to feel amazing. And what does that mean for me? It means a lot of different awesome jeans. It means matching sweatsuits, it means leather bombers, it means a t-shirt collection, a sneaker collection, and a lot of layered-on jewelry, because that's my zoos, that's my pizzazz.

You have to find… you have to identify your real lifestyle and then say, what is gonna be realistic for me every day? Not everybody's gonna layer on 5 rings and 5 necklaces and 80 earrings like me. That's okay. You do you.

RuthAnn Rafiq: I love that. That just gives all of us permission, especially… especially women like us, who have little ones, and who are living a life where you are at home a lot of the time, and you don't really have time to, like, style yourself very long. You know, I have maybe 20 minutes in the morning, maybe. And it's hard to make that time, but I love that you said you can make anything fabulous as long as you own it, that it's authentically you, and that you feel good in it. And I have to say, that is so true, because I… we talked about this when I was on your podcast, like.

I started paying attention to what I was putting on myself, and then I realized, like, some of the things I put on, I just stand up a little straighter in the mirror. I'm like, oh, wait a minute, like, I have a waist, oh my goodness, I look… I look like, you know, slim, I look cute. Clothes can make you feel a certain way, and paying attention to that really is very powerful, I think, in, like you said, how you present yourself to the world, and how you carry yourself, so I do think it… dressing yourself for the day does make an incredible difference, and I just started doing that last year for the first time in, like, 5 years, and it does. It changes your whole day.

Amy Salinger: Everything. And you have to decide where you want your focus to be, like, the reality is getting dressed every day, for me, I mean, I can't be like a dentist with bad teeth. Like, I have to be a stylist with good style, right? Like, I have, uh, you know, a reputation to uphold, even here in Providence, everybody knows what I do. Like, when I go to school pickup, I can't be looking like garbage. But with that said, I'm not putting on makeup. Like, I put on makeup here and there, I love a little lip gloss, I love a tinted eyebrow, I gotta get into the microblading so I don't even have to do that. You have to know where your line is, and for me, making sure my outfit, even if it's just jeans and a t-shirt and sneakers, it is gonna be well-fitted, it is not gonna have stains on it, I'm gonna do a little front tuck, like. The details will be there, even if it's overly simplistic.

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RuthAnn Rafiq: I love that. And that carries over to design so much, I just think about the work I do. It's in the details, and it can be a simple design, but it can be very well thought out and, like, very appealing, even though it seems simple, which is why so many people think.

Same with personal styling. They think doing websites, oh, that's so easy, because it seems easy, because it's like, it looks effortless, but it does take intention, and it takes time and thoughtful detail, so I love that.

Amy Salinger: I always say that one of the hardest looks to put together is that, oh, I just threw this on, look. You know, like, the most elevated people often have the most simple outfits on, and you're like. Yeah, but why does she look so good? And, like, all she has… she is on exactly what I would do, jeans, t-shirt, and a leather bomber. I'm like, but look at the details, look at the silhouette, look at the different cuts of things, the way it's tucked, or sleeves are rolled, or how she's wearing her bag, it's not crossbody, it's on one shoulder. Like, these are all details that she has truly leaned into thinking about and do make a difference, but to the average person, you're just like, oh my god, she just looks so put together, she just threw that on.

RuthAnn Rafiq: Sometimes I think of myself like Andy on The Devil Wears Prada, when she’s like what makes you think I'm not interested in fashion? It's like, I think I am into fashion, but I don't know if it is reflected. So how does one get started with styling themselves, obviously hiring you, but how does one get started?

Amy Salinger: Well, on their own, one gets started by taking my style quiz, which you actually did yourself. I have a very easy, like, super easy, it's four questions, you look at pictures, you pick your favorite. That's how easy it is. I have that quiz at StyleMethodCo.com you could also go to Style Method Podcast and get it there, or even my social media, all the things. Um, it is a simple quiz, four questions. You come out the other side with your style adjectives. For example, mine are casual, glam, and edgy, and I use those style adjectives for everything. I use it when I'm cleaning out my… it's the forever filter of your wardrobe. It's your jumping-off point. I use it when I'm cleaning out my closet. If there's an item that I'm not really wearing, I go start off with the question, does it fit any of my style adjectives? 1, 2, even three. If it's none, then it's probably not your style. You just haven't been able to put your finger on it. Then, if you're shopping, same thing.

My favorite is you're doing it for, like, random one-off pieces, maybe you're, like, on vacation, and you're like, ooh, let's go shopping for the afternoon. And everybody always does that, I love this, but let me think of what it goes with, and they try and go through their entire wardrobe in their head of what it'll go with, and I'm like, just cut the crazy.

All you need to do is look at the item and go, does it fit one or all of my style adjectives? Then, you know it's going to fit into the bigger picture of your wardrobe because it is your style. Um, the other thing is, let's see, styling an outfit! Oh my god, I love using style adjectives when we're doing that. Like, for example.

Today, I'm coming on your podcast, and I use the… I have something called the outfit equation as well. Lots of equations, lots of formulas, because I don't think dressing should be so gray. I like to make it more black and white, so it's a lot easier for people. I thought about the location. My living room. I'm sitting here talking to you. The activity, sitting, being on a podcast, the weather.

I mean, who cares? Because I'm inside, right? And the audience is you and your followers, people that are interested in branding. And so, I was like.

All right, mixing in casual glam and edgy. I have on one of my staple pieces, which is a jean jacket. I decided to do it a little more buttoned up. It's fit, not a little more, I buttoned the whole thing up, making it more of a top, so then it reads a little edgier and casual at the same time because it's all the way buttoned up. It's got a little structure, and my glam is my jewelry. I've got on a rhinestone tennis necklace, a bunch of gold chains. 85 hoops, four rings, and it's all… oh yeah, and my gold… and a red lip! Don't forget the red lip, because a dark lip on Zoom is everything. You don't need to put on makeup, just put on a dark lip, and you are ready to… that's one of my tricks and my Gold Aviator glasses, they're thin-rimmed, so, like, you want to make sure… this is a lot, but it's all delicate, and it matches my style adjectives. This amount of jewelry and accessories on someone else would look asinine, but it works on me. Because it's authentic!

RuthAnn Rafiq: Yeah. Yes. Yes. It's so funny, I've always wondered that with some pieces or some jewelry, I put it on, I'm like, why doesn't it work for me, it just doesn't work for me, and it's because of… it doesn't go with my style adjectives, so it's so good.

Amy Salinger: I think 1 of the fun things that I teach people is, you know, you always do the, you see the woman at the party or the restaurant or wherever you are and you go, oh my god, I freaking love her outfit, right, and then you go home and you're like, I'm gonna, or you can do this on Instagram now where you're like, oh, I think I'm the same body type as this person, I'm gonna buy their entire outfit. Congratulations to them, they're making a lot of money because they're tricking you.

“I’m gonna give you a tip, next time when you see someone’s outfit you love pick out one or two things you like. Not the entire thing, one or two things and start there to build out an outfit that’s authentic to you.”

You are not that person, okay? You don't have the same style adjectives, you don't have the same lifestyle, you definitely probably don't have the same exact body type. What you need to do, which is a much harder game, but I'm gonna give you a few little tricks and tips here, is you need to look at her outfit and pick out one or two things you like. Not the entire thing, one or two things. I can look at some… another woman and be like, I love your outfit, and also objectively understand I would look like a jackass if I tried to put on what she has on. So then I go, okay, well, what is it that would translate to casual glam and edgy Amy? Maybe it's the earring, maybe it's the skirt she has on, but I… you pick it apart, break it down to individual items. It's the same as, actually, I had trouble decorating my condo, which you wouldn't think, because you would think, oh, she's in this creative world. But it was such a big, vast, you know, project that I was like, where do I start? And same as an outfit, same as your living room for interior design. Pick one thing. You can use those style adjectives to build out a room, to build out an outfit, all the things, but you gotta pick one starting place. It could be a piece of jewelry, it could be a belt, it could be a shirt. It does not matter, but pick one thing, and then branch out.

RuthAnn Rafiq: That's exactly the same as when it comes to if you want to rebrand. It can feel extremely overwhelming because there's so many pieces, and you just have to start somewhere. You just have to start with talking to designers, you have to start with a mood board, you know, you just have to get started with one thing. And just going back really quickly to what you said about Instagram, sometimes you see someone wearing an outfit, this has happened to me more times in my life than I can say, but it's like why doesn't it look so good on her and it does not look good? I mean, so many times, it's because our body shape is… I have a very different body shape than most of the people I see online, so it is kind of figuring out what works for your body proportionally, and still working on that, still a work in progress, but I do feel like.

Amy Salinger: We are all a work in progress, myself included, like, that's what I want people to understand is, like. First off, you're not supposed to be an expert in fashion styling. Like, don't beat yourself up because you have trouble figuring out what to buy for yourself. Like, that's not your job. You're probably great at other things. That is why I have a job, is what I always say to people. But also, like, I'm a culprit of this myself. I had my son, I gained some weight, I also. Because I've, like, landed in menopause, which is super fun for your body, by the way, and then on top of it, I moved to Providence out of New York City, and now I'm working virtually from home, and I was like who am I? Like, how do I stay feeling like myself? While also not, like, wearing my leather pencil skirt to school pickup. There had to be an in-between that I was gonna find where I was still authentic to myself with this new version of. My life and my body type and it took me a hot second so, like, give yourself some grace, ladies and men. All of you, give yourself more grace.

RuthAnn Rafiq: Yes, preach. Uh, that's a perfect segue into your own personal and professional rebrand. You know, going through that most recent transformation, you said it was… was it during the pandemic that you went through that?

Amy Salinger: It was, it was, I made an executive decision, New Year, I will never forget it, New Year's of 19 to 20, so the pandemic was like kind of a conversation, but like, wasn't even a thing, and I was like, I gotta get the out of New York City. I had been there for 15 years, I was over it on a personal level. It is a certain type of lifestyle, and I was just done with it, but I had built a successful in-person styling business. What do I do? Just blow it up and have no… no money, no clients, no… I didn't know where I wanted to live? It was all a question mark, and yet.

I needed… I knew I needed to get out from my mental sanity, and I hired a coach, uh, a bit… she was a business coach, but it turned into more life coaching, and we did the whole, like, well. What lifestyle do you want? And we went through the lifestyle, and then backtracked into what is that going to look like. Now, the interesting part of all of this is that the first session was January 30th of 2020, so the pandemic was like, I'm, like, kind of here, hi, and then I didn't have kids yet, and was still single, and I was like, I'm gonna go do my Eat, Pray, Love. I'm going to Thailand, then I extended the trip to Cambodia. I was gone for over a month, and I'm like, COVID, what? And I got back March 3rd of 2020 to, like. COVID in New York City and that was when my my. I got out within two weeks. I was like, this can't be real. My friend's like, girl, you've been on a beach in Thailand too long. This is real. And all of my clients started canceling for spring season for COVID-related reasons, and I was like, throw some yoga clothes in the bag and get the out of this crazy place, not knowing that I would be at my brother's house in the woods of Rhode Island for the next 10 months, but basically during those 10 months, I say COVID pulled the rug out from underneath my light. My business disappeared overnight. Who the needs styling? Like, we were… nobody needed styling, and there was definitely no in-person styling business occurring. So my business disappeared overnight.

I decided, I don't want to be in New York anyway, I don't know what's on the other side. I gave up my apartment, I literally was like, I'm homeless, I'm 41, I live in my brother's guest room, and I have no business, and my coach was like, you're looking at it the wrong way. You're in a safe, emotional and financial place to rebuild your life. And that was when the rebranding began, because I was like, that's right, let's re… let's reset my brain, and I got to take a pause, because the whole world was on pause, it was so convenient for me, to analyze my life and what I wanted it to look like moving forward in the second half of my life, because I was 41. And lo and behold, after several months Style Method, a virtual styling firm, mine, was born because the world came around to it. It's not that I couldn't do it, it's that nobody was gonna go for that before the pandemic, but once the pandemic hit, people were like. Oh, okay, we can do everything online. So I built out Style Method, I decided to stay in Providence, that was, like, a happy accident, buy a home, and then I was like well, I might as well knock myself up at the same time, too, and I got pregnant with my son, and I've never been happier for it. I created the life I wanted, necessity is the mother of all invention, and I'm doing what I love in a totally different format and getting to mother along the way.

RuthAnn Rafiq: I love it. This is exactly why I started this podcast, to have conversations like this about change and evolution, and it's hard, and it does, like you said, when you were talking to your coach, like, I feel like everything is, like burned to the ground, like, there's nothing left for… and she's like, this is a rebirth, you can step into the life you always wanted, and that is truly what happens in your life. You go through these seasons where you discover that you're ready for something else, you're ready for a change, and I love that everything aligned so well to just move it online, and all of that experience you have, all of that knowledge. I'm sure so many of your clients have come back to you, and you've just built your business to be thriving now, that It is just exactly where it should be, and you have a sign, and just everything is just work together so perfectly, but it's because.

Amy Salinger: The way it's supposed to be!

RuthAnn Rafiq: you were brave, and you, you know, tried something new, and you just pivoted, and even though it was scary, I'm sure, and you weren't sure how it was gonna work out on the other side, you went for it, and I just think that's an incredible testimony to just the… the power of believing in yourself, and just trusting that it's gonna work out, and taking the leap to follow what feels like the right next step.

Amy Salinger: I want to also be clear, I was 100% in the fetal position and in tears for, like, months at a time when I was doing this, but I… during the hardest time where I was making jokes that, like I'm like, there's a reason why we don't try and do all of the adulting in, like, a two-month period, like, buying a home, moving to a different state, redoing your business, building out a brand new, like, platform, like all about trying to get pregnant, like, all the things all at once, because oh my god, every day, I would be like, just get through the day, just get through the day, you're gonna make it to the other side, because I knew that I was… this was all going in the right direction. This wasn't for naught, it was difficult as it was trying as it's the hardest thing I've ever been through, and it was all worth it. And I think the hardest things we do in life, when we're going through the hardest times, that's I mean, this is what they say, that's where the real growth happens.

RuthAnn Rafiq: Yeah, yeah. I have to say, I have a lot of those days nowadays, where I'm just like, just skip through the day. You know, I'm, uh, primarily a stay-at-home mom with my little ones, and it's just sometimes a lot, you know, the two toddlers and, you know, my. It's just, uh, it's, it can be trying and difficult, but I know I'm exactly where I need to be, and it feels so right, and I feel so at peace about it, and I don't, I don't feel like I need to go out and get all these clients right now. I've kind of shrunk my business down a lot, so… so my lifestyle can be what I want it to be, so I can be there for my kids right now, but… and it won't always be like that. You know, things will change, things will shift. I'm sure I'll have… I'll be hitting the gas. here in, you know, who knows, a year or two or three, um, but I'm open to it, and I think that's what it's all about, is just seeing the changes, leaning into them, trusting that you're doing the right thing, and just really, like, questioning, like, is this the life I want to lead, and.

Amy Salinger: We are all in charge of our own destinies, and I think that is sometimes the hardest thing to accept because nobody's gonna do it for you. Nobody can make you happy. Nobody can change your life. You have to be the one to take the steering wheel and make it happen, and I think most people that's too overwhelming, and it's easier to kind of stay on your path, and I just reached a point where I was like can't be this unhappy any longer, and with the assistance of the pandemic, it was all in fast-forward, and here we are today.

RuthAnn Rafiq: Well, I think there's something to say about that, too. Like, so many times you feel like life is happening to you. Like, oh, it's just happening, and I can't really change it, but you have so much more autonomy that you can realize, and so recognizing that you are in the driver's seat, you can change your life, you can do what you want to do, and live the life you want to live, so I think there's a lot of power in that, but it's also scary, because it feels… If it's not scary, you're… you're… you know, maybe not on the right path, but if it is scary, then it's like, you know, this feels like it could be the right thing, so…

RuthAnn Rafiq: Amy, it's been so great talking with you. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Please tell everyone where they can do… well, you did mention where they can find your style quiz, but mention your Plug Your Podcast again, and all the things.

Amy Salinger: Sure. Well, definitely listen to RuthAnn come on my podcast, StyleMethodpodcast.com. You can take the quiz right there, the style quiz right there, honestly. And also, my social media is.

Amy Salinger: at Style Method Co, that's CO for across all the social medias, and um…

I'm just… I just want to help more people. That's literally my entire M.O. of what I do. It's why I'm so happy I'm virtual, because it means I can access so many more people. Styling should not be specific to major metropolitan areas, and that has always been what it is. You can get a New York City stylist anywhere. Me!

RuthAnn Rafiq: That's absolutely right. Please check out everything that she's doing, and Amy, thank you again.

Amy Salinger: Thank you, RuthAnn!

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